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and pakistan, we seem to be in a meltdown. we're dropping drones in pakistan. we're killing innocent civilians. what response do we expect from the pakistani government? >> that's the real number of the iss -- real nub of the issue here. with e can't leave. we can't extricate ourselves from the millions that we send in. today in the papers acause the country, "the new york times," five americaned killed yesterday in afghanistan. we've taken our eyes off that. it's something that we're involved in that we have to get out of. we cannot stay there. both economically, politically, morally. i mean fewer than 1% of our people here in this country fighting the war in afghanistan and in iraq. we pay very little attention to i. we've got to end it. >> there are now people who were in second great when the war started fighting on the front lines of afghanistan. and you have generals who want to be there another five to ten years. >> you have people who were two 2 years old when the wars started but a lot of them are largely untouched by the war. most people in the countr
and pakistan, we seem to be in a meltdown. we're dropping drones in pakistan. we're killing innocent civilians. what response do we expect from the pakistani government? >> that's the real number of the iss -- real nub of the issue here. with e can't leave. we can't extricate ourselves from the millions that we send in. today in the papers acause the country, "the new york times," five americaned killed yesterday in afghanistan. we've taken our eyes off that. it's something that...
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one in afghanistan and the one in pakistan. there's a conflict in pakistan. there isn't a foreign intervention trying to resolve it. it is a great internal conflict. what we are seeing in pakistan is a series of contradictory policies, contradictory engagements and contradictory engagements. the army wants to preserve a stable pakistan that is assured of security and sees the united states as a component of the success in that quest. the military is defective. intelligence service seems to be torn and of course in the country at large, strong fundment list tendencies. it's not a single entity. it's fragmented. we have no choice until we are out of afghanistan to cooperate as much as we can with those pakistanis who see their interest in our success. >> back to the topic of the increasing class and income, we know it's there. you mentioned it's wider now than in country's like china. what do we think about ourselves given the fact people are lining up at the door to live in the united states of america. a lot of people want to live in china. >> there are two g
one in afghanistan and the one in pakistan. there's a conflict in pakistan. there isn't a foreign intervention trying to resolve it. it is a great internal conflict. what we are seeing in pakistan is a series of contradictory policies, contradictory engagements and contradictory engagements. the army wants to preserve a stable pakistan that is assured of security and sees the united states as a component of the success in that quest. the military is defective. intelligence service seems to be...
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that might even have some attraction to pakistan. because it gets them to exercise their influence in afghanistan. but without the major international of people in the area or disruption that disintegrates the place all together, which is not in their interest either because that could spread to pakistan himself. >> doctor, it's willie geist. we talked on the show about what afghanistan will look like when the united states leaves, a year from now, ten years from now, 20 years from now. in other words, is there anything that a foreign power can do in that country to change it so much that when we leave, it will be a reformed place. what's your opinion on that. if we left tomorrow, would the country look a lot different than it would than if we say spent ten more years of blood and treasure there? >> i don't see us spending ten more years. i think the country here wouldn't stand for it. it's terribly expensive. and the afghans are indicating a second measure restlessnd note about what karzai said about us acting like foreigners or occ
that might even have some attraction to pakistan. because it gets them to exercise their influence in afghanistan. but without the major international of people in the area or disruption that disintegrates the place all together, which is not in their interest either because that could spread to pakistan himself. >> doctor, it's willie geist. we talked on the show about what afghanistan will look like when the united states leaves, a year from now, ten years from now, 20 years from now....
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pakistan. >> but people have argued -- >> i understand that. i know, i hear that all the time. you ask people, why do you have to stay in a afghanistan another decade? because of pakistan. i think it's hurting. >> when the history of this is written, the day that osama bin laden was found in pakistan will be seen as a seminal moment in the relationship between u.s. and pakistan. >> in the verbs of the capitol. >> right up the street -- >> people wrote rightly at that moment, isn't this the moment when we now need to acknowledge the fact that this supposed ally is not, in fact, a real ally. no real ally would've allowed this guy to hide in plain sight. and i think that, again, when the history is written, people will look back and say like mullen's testimony today and everything comes forward. that was the moment when it became impossible to maintain the ruse that they were another ally, that we could treat them as we treat other allies because they're not. >> far from it. and at some point, we'
pakistan. >> but people have argued -- >> i understand that. i know, i hear that all the time. you ask people, why do you have to stay in a afghanistan another decade? because of pakistan. i think it's hurting. >> when the history of this is written, the day that osama bin laden was found in pakistan will be seen as a seminal moment in the relationship between u.s. and pakistan. >> in the verbs of the capitol. >> right up the street -- >> people wrote rightly...
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privately, i'm sure they're being firm with pakistan but publicly, very firm. >> i think this pakistan issue is headed for a little bit of train wreck and they are quietly trying to, you know, preempt or prepare for that. the reality is what they know, what everybody knows, there is no consensus among pakistani leadership for how to deal with bin laden or deal with the infrastructure that harbored bin laden. that's been the case the past few years and who knows what the case will be the next few years with other terrorist groups. everyone in our government knows it's a real problem and a sense there's no leverage and no way to deal with that. you can hear that in obama's interviews and donneothers as w. perplexed how to do forward with that. >> last night, the president addressed the nation in "60 minutes." in the pays of a week, one line of attack, he has now become commander in chief. >> probably in our lifetime, one of the greatest examples of being the commander in chief ever because he's publicized being disguisetive to the entire country and entire world. his goal now is to keep
privately, i'm sure they're being firm with pakistan but publicly, very firm. >> i think this pakistan issue is headed for a little bit of train wreck and they are quietly trying to, you know, preempt or prepare for that. the reality is what they know, what everybody knows, there is no consensus among pakistani leadership for how to deal with bin laden or deal with the infrastructure that harbored bin laden. that's been the case the past few years and who knows what the case will be the...
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this is about pakistan, as we said on the show a number of times. how do we deal with pakistan and at the same time, get out of afghanistan except in terms of special forces or drones to represent our interest and chase down terrorists? meanwhile, you have the greatest tender box in the world, to save a nuclear pakistan with more than 100, probably twice as many with nuclear warheads that can fall into the hands of terrorists. >> the bottom line is, how do we deal with it? >> it's always pakistan is a basket case, a nuclear basket case. stay in afghanistan. >> you don't. you don't. >> it's not going to work. that is washington's argument, mike barnicle. pakistan is stabilized. we have to keep having american troops killed in afghanistan. it doesn't add up. invading cambodia is the right move when you are going into vietnam. >> continuing argument and keep making it because less than 1% of american families and american people are serving in the military in afghanistan. >> there you go. >> back to the draft. >> untouched. >> we need a draft. >> we'll
this is about pakistan, as we said on the show a number of times. how do we deal with pakistan and at the same time, get out of afghanistan except in terms of special forces or drones to represent our interest and chase down terrorists? meanwhile, you have the greatest tender box in the world, to save a nuclear pakistan with more than 100, probably twice as many with nuclear warheads that can fall into the hands of terrorists. >> the bottom line is, how do we deal with it? >> it's...
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pakistan was, is and likely will remain the epicenter of world terrorism. where the most powerful terrorism organizations are either tolerated on embedded by the establishment there. secondly, that you cannot defeat terrorism in the sense of eliminating it. it's like disease. it is out there. you can attack it. you can protect yourself. you can build resilience, but it's now part of our lives. tens years after 9/11, terrorism is part of the fabric. it doesn't define everything, but it's there, in the sense that israeli society is permanently in a position of having to be vigilant. we are now in a society we have to be vigilant. we can't eliminate it. wars will not do that. this is part and partial of modern life. sorry to have to say it, but that's the fact. we in society, particularly those in new york and washington have to understand that this is psychologically and politically the chosen principle target. so we are going to have to figure out ways or remain vigilant without turning our economy over. without giving up our civil liberties. we're going to
pakistan was, is and likely will remain the epicenter of world terrorism. where the most powerful terrorism organizations are either tolerated on embedded by the establishment there. secondly, that you cannot defeat terrorism in the sense of eliminating it. it's like disease. it is out there. you can attack it. you can protect yourself. you can build resilience, but it's now part of our lives. tens years after 9/11, terrorism is part of the fabric. it doesn't define everything, but it's there,...
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pakistan, an ungovernable state with a nuclear weapon. >> sure. >> what role does pakistan play? can the united states realistically pull back from afghanistan given what barnacle just said about pakistan? >> it's a strange paradox. we have to be involved with pakistan to save afghanistan while the pakistanis are running this basically $3 billion policy scam on us every year. how do you disconnect the two? i think you say, look, pakistan is a sig can't country where we have a real interest and afghanistan is not. >> there is an interest. i mean if you look at the front page of t"the wall street journal" today, the u.s. military officers based in afghanistan have drawn up plans to exit afghanistan, with draw as many as 5,000 troops in july and 5,000 by the year's end. this would be the first phase of the president's promise to pull out of there. but, of course, these proposals are going to be the subject of fierce debate in washington between the white house, the state department, and the pentagon, but the plans are there to at least start, to at least start. >> 5,000's nice but t
pakistan, an ungovernable state with a nuclear weapon. >> sure. >> what role does pakistan play? can the united states realistically pull back from afghanistan given what barnacle just said about pakistan? >> it's a strange paradox. we have to be involved with pakistan to save afghanistan while the pakistanis are running this basically $3 billion policy scam on us every year. how do you disconnect the two? i think you say, look, pakistan is a sig can't country where we have a...
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the leadership is in pakistan, but there it is. and this is no picnic for them because, you know, the pakistani intelligence that they have this arrangement with is very unpleasant. people -- there's intelligence. these people are saying, hey, this is not a party that we're having here in pakistan. so it takes its toll on them, too. so the answer is, we don't know, but you're right, mika. what's the overall theory here? do we understand where we're going? and i say they are working it month by month. >> there is no theory. there is no exit strategy. we've had two presidents. a decade in afghanistan. there is no exit theory. you ask an administration official why we're there and they'll say, well, to drive al qaeda out of afghanistan. and then you say, well, your own cia director said there are only 50 al qaeda members in afghanistan. >> if that. >> if that. and then they'll mumble something about pakistan. there is no -- there's no theory. >> yeah, but -- >> there's no exit strategy. >> one thing obam ands, and this is important is
the leadership is in pakistan, but there it is. and this is no picnic for them because, you know, the pakistani intelligence that they have this arrangement with is very unpleasant. people -- there's intelligence. these people are saying, hey, this is not a party that we're having here in pakistan. so it takes its toll on them, too. so the answer is, we don't know, but you're right, mika. what's the overall theory here? do we understand where we're going? and i say they are working it month by...
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our real concern has to be pakistan and how we address pakistan is tied to how we deal with india. india and pakistan are much more closely involved than afghanistan is. and the issue of settling up pakistan. i think we should have a time frame to get out of afghanistan and it should be shorter rather than longer. >> uh-huh. >> amen. >> i know you guys don't talk that way up at dartmouth. >> no. >> new hampshire guys. >> depends what paper you're writing. >> seriously, $2 billion a week in afghanistan. and it just continues on and on and on. senator gregg, we cannot continue to be the world's policemen. we cannot afford it anymore. >> we have to pick our spots. it has to be where the terrorist threat is. >> yes. >>> former senator judd gregg, thank you so much. good to see you. come back. >> thank you. >> business before the bell with erin burnett is next. what are you looking at? logistics. ben? the ups guy? no, you see ben, i see logistics. logistics? think--ben is new markets. ben is global access-- china and beyond. ben is a smarter supply chain. ben is higher margins. happier
our real concern has to be pakistan and how we address pakistan is tied to how we deal with india. india and pakistan are much more closely involved than afghanistan is. and the issue of settling up pakistan. i think we should have a time frame to get out of afghanistan and it should be shorter rather than longer. >> uh-huh. >> amen. >> i know you guys don't talk that way up at dartmouth. >> no. >> new hampshire guys. >> depends what paper you're writing....
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what was the reaction of pakistan to that? did that fuel any of the kind of feeling that you're describing in terms of anti-americanism in the country? >> yeah. it's a very proud country. i think that's really what it comes down to. the mismatch in power is so great. we're the guys that just doll the money out all the time. look, i mean, they feel needy. they know they need the money. that doesn't make them feel very good about themselves as a country. so it's a complicated relationship. >> and what do you make, before you go, of the attack on the embassy in kabul? the talk about whether or not this could have been work from the inside and exactly how developed we are in terms of getting them on their own? >> well, the embassy is in the middle of town, but it's not -- you know, the americans have always tried to be pretty open. they don't have really, really high walls and giant machine gun towers. it's pretty open. people can come and go. so in that sense, it's vulnerable. that's the thing about, to use the academic term. it'
what was the reaction of pakistan to that? did that fuel any of the kind of feeling that you're describing in terms of anti-americanism in the country? >> yeah. it's a very proud country. i think that's really what it comes down to. the mismatch in power is so great. we're the guys that just doll the money out all the time. look, i mean, they feel needy. they know they need the money. that doesn't make them feel very good about themselves as a country. so it's a complicated relationship....
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what a loss. >> michele bachmann also though, was forceful in pakistan. >> she was forceful on pakistan. this was after a very successful appearance the night before was it on jimmy fallon. she was just funny and effective. this was on foreign policy and she took on the issue of pakistan. do we have that, alex? >> they've showed us time after time they can't be trusted and until pakistan clearly shows that they have america's best interest in mind, i would not send them one penny. >> with all due respect to the governor, that's high lie nieve. we have to recognize what's happening on the ground. these are nuclear weapons. potentially, al-qaeda could get ahold of these weapons. they could find their way out of the pakistan, into new york city or washington, d.c. and a nuclear weapon could be set off in this city. that's how serious this is. we have to maintain an american presence. >> you know, dan, we have been awfully tough on michele bachmann, but i will tell you, she was very good last night. she was competent. she wasn't playing for the chief applause lines. you talk about the, her
what a loss. >> michele bachmann also though, was forceful in pakistan. >> she was forceful on pakistan. this was after a very successful appearance the night before was it on jimmy fallon. she was just funny and effective. this was on foreign policy and she took on the issue of pakistan. do we have that, alex? >> they've showed us time after time they can't be trusted and until pakistan clearly shows that they have america's best interest in mind, i would not send them one...
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. >> you want to invade pakistan now? >> afghanistan will become a vacuum for pakistan. that will help islamist extremists become the leaders of pakistan. >> i want to show something else in this age. willie, you noted this as well. the quick turn-around from yesterday. we were on the house floor yesterday looking at john boehner getting sworn in. let's show this shot, too. this morning -- >> this happened 17 hours ago, and it's in "time" magazine. >> the miracles of paper. you can take it anywhere and it's almost instantaneous. it's getting into people's hands. by the way, this is the beginning of a year-long series we're doing on employment, unemployment, jobs. we'll do down halls around the country. you should come and do one with us in different cities where there's either job growth or unemployment. >> would love to do that. >> "time" magazine, where the jobs are, it comes out on news stands tomorrow, fascinating reading. rick has predicted, because he's so optimistic, that the worst times are over. happy days are here again. >> we shall see. rick, thank you. how wi
. >> you want to invade pakistan now? >> afghanistan will become a vacuum for pakistan. that will help islamist extremists become the leaders of pakistan. >> i want to show something else in this age. willie, you noted this as well. the quick turn-around from yesterday. we were on the house floor yesterday looking at john boehner getting sworn in. let's show this shot, too. this morning -- >> this happened 17 hours ago, and it's in "time" magazine. >> the...
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if fighting starts between pakistan and the u.s., we are beside pakistan. >> wow. isn't that -- wait. hold on a second. hold on. wait, wait, wait -- isn't this the guy that the foreign policy leaders come on the show here say we're fighting and dying and we need to stay another decade for that guy? >> he goes on to say if pakistan is attacked -- >> are you sure this isn't a misprint? >> no. and if pakistan needs afghanistan's help, afghanistan will be there with you. >> young men and women are fighting and dying in afghanistan for a man that said he would side with pakistan in a war against the united states. >> this war is ill-advised, unwarranted at this point. we are involved in a local, civil, and regional war, where vital u.s. interests are not at stake. and at the end of the day, no matter how much we accomplish, six months a year later, you will not see massive traces of everything the united states sought to bring about. this is truly misguided, it should be wound down, not completely eliminated, be uh we should wind down our involvement there at a far fast
if fighting starts between pakistan and the u.s., we are beside pakistan. >> wow. isn't that -- wait. hold on a second. hold on. wait, wait, wait -- isn't this the guy that the foreign policy leaders come on the show here say we're fighting and dying and we need to stay another decade for that guy? >> he goes on to say if pakistan is attacked -- >> are you sure this isn't a misprint? >> no. and if pakistan needs afghanistan's help, afghanistan will be there with you....
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s worsening relationship with pakistan since the killing of osama bin laden. the white house is looking in to how the u.s. will present the intelligence to pakistan's leadership. we'll be following that. willie? >>> moving on to some 2012 news, several 2012 candidates taking part in celebrations in primary and caucus states in new hampshire and iowa all in an effort to shore up critical early support in new hampshire. mitt romney continued to hammer president obama in the economy. he said the president, quote, failed us, because the recession is deeper because of our president. but when asked if he agreed with the assessment, former governor john huntsman skirted the issue focusing on what he and his fellow candidates can offer voters. >> some are you are republicans, independents, unaffiliated. i understand that. all i can say is take a look at where we've been, done, and stand for, where we hope to take the country, make an informed decision, then come back and talk to us. a. >> rivals bachmann toured new england. gingrich said he's committed to spending 16
s worsening relationship with pakistan since the killing of osama bin laden. the white house is looking in to how the u.s. will present the intelligence to pakistan's leadership. we'll be following that. willie? >>> moving on to some 2012 news, several 2012 candidates taking part in celebrations in primary and caucus states in new hampshire and iowa all in an effort to shore up critical early support in new hampshire. mitt romney continued to hammer president obama in the economy. he...
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new report on pakistan, air strike that killed 24 -- give us the details. >> well, the u.s. military investigation into this has been completed. it's been given to the commander. and what it found is here's the key point to what it found. that night in october, u.s. special operations and afghan forces were conducting an operation along the afghan border and took some fire from across the border. now, there are coordination centers that allow the militaries of both sides pak and u.s. to talk to each other. and there were communications. but when the americans phoned in the information to the pakistanis about the sight from which they were taking fire, they gave them the wrong coordinates, they gave them something nine miles away, so the pakistani on duty said, not our guys, not a problem, boom, they attacked killed 24 pakistanis. there are going to be mea culpas all over the place. the pakistanis have cut off the flow of the vital supplies to our forces in afghanistan, about 70% of what they need comes through pakistan, and the u.s. was talking a good game about, oh, we can
new report on pakistan, air strike that killed 24 -- give us the details. >> well, the u.s. military investigation into this has been completed. it's been given to the commander. and what it found is here's the key point to what it found. that night in october, u.s. special operations and afghan forces were conducting an operation along the afghan border and took some fire from across the border. now, there are coordination centers that allow the militaries of both sides pak and u.s. to...
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nails famed in pakistan. last night, the president made a statement to the nation, about 11:30 eastern time. here's a little bit about what he said stressing the historic perhaps of bin laden's death. >> at my direction, the united states launched a targeted operation against that compound in abbottabad, pakistan. a small team of americans carried out the operation with extraordinary courage and capability. no americans were harmed. they took care to avoid civilian casualties. after a firefight, they killed osama bin laden and took custody of his body. for over two decades, bin laden has been al qaeda's leader and symbol and continued to plot attacks against our country and friends and allies. the death of balancin laden mare most significant achievement to date of our nation's effort to defeat al qaeda. his death does not mark the end of our effort. no doubt, al qaeda will continue to pursue attacks against us. we must and we will remain vigilant at home and abroad. >> let me ask you about the president. we'
nails famed in pakistan. last night, the president made a statement to the nation, about 11:30 eastern time. here's a little bit about what he said stressing the historic perhaps of bin laden's death. >> at my direction, the united states launched a targeted operation against that compound in abbottabad, pakistan. a small team of americans carried out the operation with extraordinary courage and capability. no americans were harmed. they took care to avoid civilian casualties. after a...
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pakistan is on its border. afghanistan is on its border, the big challenge is to see whether we can get afghanistan, if not identical but parallel enough. and afghanistan, we have a common interest to keep it from becoming a terrorist state after the american withdrawal. you mentioned, this is certainly what you mention as one of the key issues. china looks at pakistan as a balance to india. we look at pakistan as necessity against afghanistan. china looks at afghanistan as a source of raw materials but also as a danger in its muslim regions. but as long as we are there, we're doing their job for them, in that sense. so these are the things that need to be harmonized or if not, at least we know why they're not. >> we certainly can't be shock china going to pursue what they consider to be their self-interest. >> mr. secretary, one of the great concerns america have in this global fight with china, we don't have much leverage over them, given the amount of debt they hold, the imf a month ago said by 2016, the chi
pakistan is on its border. afghanistan is on its border, the big challenge is to see whether we can get afghanistan, if not identical but parallel enough. and afghanistan, we have a common interest to keep it from becoming a terrorist state after the american withdrawal. you mentioned, this is certainly what you mention as one of the key issues. china looks at pakistan as a balance to india. we look at pakistan as necessity against afghanistan. china looks at afghanistan as a source of raw...
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mike mullen is calling on pakistan to eliminate safe havens. in an interview with the bbc, mullen said the country with afghanistan is a lot more secure. but, it is still the epicenter of terrorism. >> security is much better, but certainly the spike in violence brings alarm to them and to all of us and we're figuring out a way to get ahead of all of that. i'm not completely surprised. >>> activists say the syrian government is shelling the city of hamas for the second day now and what is becoming the bloodiest crackdown in country's four-month long uprising. at least four civilians have been killed today. security forces backed by tanks and snipers reportedly opened fire on pro democracy protesters yesterday, killing at least 70 people. >> killing at least 70 people. i mean, these were the sort of activities that actually got us into libya. >> reports say -- >> and this continues. >> stormed the city to quell and continues for calls for president bashar al assad to be removed from power. hama has a long history of defiance against the assad fa
mike mullen is calling on pakistan to eliminate safe havens. in an interview with the bbc, mullen said the country with afghanistan is a lot more secure. but, it is still the epicenter of terrorism. >> security is much better, but certainly the spike in violence brings alarm to them and to all of us and we're figuring out a way to get ahead of all of that. i'm not completely surprised. >>> activists say the syrian government is shelling the city of hamas for the second day now...
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speaking of living in the closet, how are our assets in pakistan at this point? does the intelligence community feel they're in better shape than they were certainly ten years ago obviously, but even say five years ago? >> obviously there's been some tension, obviously some strong tensions between the u.s., the cia and the pakistani spy agency, the isi, particularly after the raid on osama bin laden's safe house in may. the thinking is how could possibly bin laden have been hiding there for years in the shadow of one of pakistani's top military academies without pakistani knowledge or complicity. so far the government says there is none but there have been tensions throughout this relationship. it's an off again, on again one as pakistan both tries to go after al qaeda, supporting the united states, but also supporting some of the militant groups in afghanistan killing allies and u.s. troops there. >> when we talk about the shift of what the president said on the campaign compared to what he did once he got in office, we were talking to somebody in the agency tha
speaking of living in the closet, how are our assets in pakistan at this point? does the intelligence community feel they're in better shape than they were certainly ten years ago obviously, but even say five years ago? >> obviously there's been some tension, obviously some strong tensions between the u.s., the cia and the pakistani spy agency, the isi, particularly after the raid on osama bin laden's safe house in may. the thinking is how could possibly bin laden have been hiding there...
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it is destabilizing for pakistan. and pakistan is the larger problem. that alone is a reason for i think a rapid shrinking of that footprint in afghanistan. in terms of getting afghanistan to where iraq is, in terms of human development and in terms of education and infrastructure, it would take 20 years, 50 years to get -- just to get afghanistan to where iraq is. >> right. >> so i just don't think that's practical to think in terms of our doing it in three years. i think it's not going to happen. >> senator, let's touch on the budget, you write to a piece for politico and say, our long term deficit is too big address simply by raising taxes on the wealthiest americans or slashing domestic spending. the math doesn't add up. each side will have to give some cherished ideologue cal ground as part of a compromise. americans don't hesitate to do what is necessary when faced with threats to the security of our nation. it should be no different when confronted by such a fundamental threat to our nation's economy. you have talked about something called save g
it is destabilizing for pakistan. and pakistan is the larger problem. that alone is a reason for i think a rapid shrinking of that footprint in afghanistan. in terms of getting afghanistan to where iraq is, in terms of human development and in terms of education and infrastructure, it would take 20 years, 50 years to get -- just to get afghanistan to where iraq is. >> right. >> so i just don't think that's practical to think in terms of our doing it in three years. i think it's not...
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they're not pakistan. they didn't sneak it in. >> there's a reason kissinger went over there in '72. >>> i do view china as a potential military threat to the united states. >> and what could you do as president to head that off? >> my china strategy is quite simply outgrow china. i plan to get away from making cutting our defense a priority and make investing in our military capability a priority. going back to my statement peace through strength and clarity. they've indicated they're trying to develop nuclear capability and they want to develop more aircraft carriers like we have. so yes, we have to consider them a military threat. >> they've indicated they're trying to develop nuclear technology. i didn't see a smile on his face. so when he comes out and says it's a joke -- >> peace through strength, though. slogans. >> slogan's great. but that is stunning. that too would seem to be a disqualifier, but herman cain -- and the reason we're bringing -- we're not picking on herman cain. we'd be saying this
they're not pakistan. they didn't sneak it in. >> there's a reason kissinger went over there in '72. >>> i do view china as a potential military threat to the united states. >> and what could you do as president to head that off? >> my china strategy is quite simply outgrow china. i plan to get away from making cutting our defense a priority and make investing in our military capability a priority. going back to my statement peace through strength and clarity. they've...
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we may not like the way pakistan handled this. they may have been complicit some way in harboring osama bin laden, but we cannot walk away from them. >> can't walk away. two things. senator kerry is right about the knee-jerk reaction. the other knee-jerk reaction i think we have to resist is osama's death is simply symbolic. >> right. >> we don't know what all they found in that house. this is the first thing. the train plot. >> yeah. >> we don't know how involved he was. >> and what else it might lead them to outside of it. >> we don't know what he's been doing for nine years. we all thought he was -- the assessment was he's in a cave and he has to send courier things out so he can't be involved operationally. no. it turns out he's in westchester. so he could, in fact, have been more operationally -- >> nice choice. >> he could have been more operationally involved. i shouldn't be flip about it, but i think there is a huge assumption about how al qaeda's been working or not working over the last nine years. it now has to be total
we may not like the way pakistan handled this. they may have been complicit some way in harboring osama bin laden, but we cannot walk away from them. >> can't walk away. two things. senator kerry is right about the knee-jerk reaction. the other knee-jerk reaction i think we have to resist is osama's death is simply symbolic. >> right. >> we don't know what all they found in that house. this is the first thing. the train plot. >> yeah. >> we don't know how involved...
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, pakistan, peter alexander. what can you tell us? >> reporter: good morning to you. as you just noted. more than 80 people killed in this attack. the wounded is 150 with many in critical condition filling up the hospital beds about a 2 1/2 hour drive from where we are in islamabad. this is not the first time the troops have been targeted. the same ching took place in iraq and afghanistan. many people attacked are right there along the border fighting their own people of the posture and ethnic group and the mountainous areas that separate afghanistan from pakistan. today, it happened about 6:00 in the morning. these people were about to leave. about to leave for what was scheduled to be a 10 day leave with family members and sadly it ended in the first major violence we have seen since bin laden's death. >> that was the paramilitary center with united states support, financial and otherwise. perhaps that's part of the reason it was targeted. peter alexander, live this morning from islamabad. thanks. >>> coming up
, pakistan, peter alexander. what can you tell us? >> reporter: good morning to you. as you just noted. more than 80 people killed in this attack. the wounded is 150 with many in critical condition filling up the hospital beds about a 2 1/2 hour drive from where we are in islamabad. this is not the first time the troops have been targeted. the same ching took place in iraq and afghanistan. many people attacked are right there along the border fighting their own people of the posture and...
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pakistan. is it a friend, is it a foe? should we continue aid to pakistan? how do you deal with loose nukes? and we tried to illuminate that issue and have people disagree publicly about that. you really have to think through all of the ramifications of a zero aid policy or we're going to do whatever we want in pakistan, and we got a little bit of both. what surprised me in realtime, and i can't tell you how difficult it is to cope with something that surprises you in realtime because you think you know or have a sense of what everyone's going to come down with this is this zero-based budgeting idea on foreign policy. >> let's explain that. at one point, willie geist. you like me were watching the debate because we were iming each other nonstop through it. >> yeah. is that what they call it? >> so anyway -- >> that's what they called it a few years ago. >> okay. so we were faze timing. rick perry decides he's going to zero out foreign aid and newt gingrich follows him into the fray. we're going to zero out foreign aid. and other people talking about, the hel
pakistan. is it a friend, is it a foe? should we continue aid to pakistan? how do you deal with loose nukes? and we tried to illuminate that issue and have people disagree publicly about that. you really have to think through all of the ramifications of a zero aid policy or we're going to do whatever we want in pakistan, and we got a little bit of both. what surprised me in realtime, and i can't tell you how difficult it is to cope with something that surprises you in realtime because you think...
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i think pakistan is one of those powder kegs. it could be north korea. that, should it happen, derails everything. >> if the country is inactive, we could end up with the entire muslim world against us. a devastating consequence. yet, what are we doing? the speech given in gaza? had we had guidance? >> let me ask you about russia. you've got to get a second partition of the soviet empire because of what's going on in the north caucuses? >> i think massive resctributio. it's not going to solve the problem. it's going to accentuate the hatred. >> so, bob, the president gets off the couch. and as he's walking out, what is the therapist telling him about last night's speech? >> good question. >> who was your real audience and the president would sit back down and say, i need another hour. and his real audience is the persuadable voter in america and in the congress. it's not the undecided. people are not undecided, but there are a group of people as you know in the middle who are persuadable, who will listen and you know, you get a swaying and you get a mood
i think pakistan is one of those powder kegs. it could be north korea. that, should it happen, derails everything. >> if the country is inactive, we could end up with the entire muslim world against us. a devastating consequence. yet, what are we doing? the speech given in gaza? had we had guidance? >> let me ask you about russia. you've got to get a second partition of the soviet empire because of what's going on in the north caucuses? >> i think massive resctributio. it's...
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hillary clinton is in pakistan at this point. but i want to show some video of her in kabul as the news about -- >> is she making trouble again? >> no, it's just interesting. this is kind of one of those moments you don't get to see usually behind the scenes, where it came over her blackberry that gadhafi had been captured. and you can see her reaction here. let's roll it. >> wow. huh. >> unconfirmed. >> unconfirmed, yeah. no. unconfirmed reports about gadhafi being captured. >> oh, really? >> unconfirmed. yeah. we've had too many -- we've had a bunch of those before. we've had him captured a couple of times. >> someone's going to get in some trouble. >> who is? >> well, that kind of raw footage -- the state department does not like when that raw footage starts floating around. >> anyhow, moving on, though, to more hillary clinton news. >> by the way, we did add it after she said wow and threw her blackberry down and said this is going to make my 2012 run a little more difficult. so we did edit that part out. >> she's in pakistan
hillary clinton is in pakistan at this point. but i want to show some video of her in kabul as the news about -- >> is she making trouble again? >> no, it's just interesting. this is kind of one of those moments you don't get to see usually behind the scenes, where it came over her blackberry that gadhafi had been captured. and you can see her reaction here. let's roll it. >> wow. huh. >> unconfirmed. >> unconfirmed, yeah. no. unconfirmed reports about gadhafi...
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they're more concerned now about pakistan than they are in afghanistan. the fear is that if the u.s. withdrawals, pakistan collapses. >> okay. jim miklaszewski, thank you so much. boy, that's something else to worry about, isn't it. >> all that and we have tripoli turning into moog -- mogadishu. >> no doubt. >>> we have a preview of "meet the press." david gregory and savannah guthrie will be here. >>> first, here's bill karins with an absolutely horrific forecast. bill, it's going to be pretty rough this week in the northeast, isn't it. >> two storms will come through, a little one saturday night into sunday. a bigger one this morning. the first of many airport delays is filing in. philadelphia, an hour and a half. they're just opening up and reporting the delays. we'll build on that in the next couple of hours. >>> rain d.c., philly, new york, hartford, providence. snow in albany, syracuse and buffalo. as we go throughout the day, we could pick up 6 to 12 inches interior sections that includes erie, buffalo, syracuse, up to portland, maine. you get the
they're more concerned now about pakistan than they are in afghanistan. the fear is that if the u.s. withdrawals, pakistan collapses. >> okay. jim miklaszewski, thank you so much. boy, that's something else to worry about, isn't it. >> all that and we have tripoli turning into moog -- mogadishu. >> no doubt. >>> we have a preview of "meet the press." david gregory and savannah guthrie will be here. >>> first, here's bill karins with an absolutely...
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pakistan only sees $2.8 billion coming into pakistan, which is an economic. if we were more forthcoming with pakistan, work to bring the diplomatic process together, i think you can change the interception of those interests. that has the opportunity of reinforcing the withdrawal taking place. >> senator, i want to talk about libya. before we get there, let's continue with richard haass. richard, how will we define stability in afghanistan? will we ever be able to get there? >> there's a minimalist definition of stability or success. al qaeda or groups like it cannot reestablish shop in afghanistan. the real question is how much we define stability as an afghan government that is strong enough to make sure the taliban does not take over the country. what the senator put out there is the real question. i think there's two diplomatic things. one is to try to concoct a regional frame work. whether it's the way to go. the other is whether we think we can get the taliban involved in the framework with afghanistan. >> i think you have to pursue both and we are actu
pakistan only sees $2.8 billion coming into pakistan, which is an economic. if we were more forthcoming with pakistan, work to bring the diplomatic process together, i think you can change the interception of those interests. that has the opportunity of reinforcing the withdrawal taking place. >> senator, i want to talk about libya. before we get there, let's continue with richard haass. richard, how will we define stability in afghanistan? will we ever be able to get there? >>...
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two are on the border of afghanistan and pakistan, which leads to a lot of uncertainty on the pakistan side of the border. >> how do we bring india in? how do we bring pakistan in? again, the united states and dr. brzezinski last week when he was here talked about all of our rivals, not enemies, but rivals are sitting there smiling, watching the united states power get drained in afghanistan. they are just standing by. >> it's absolutely right. when you think about the costs, you know, we are talking $120 billion. that's combat operations alone. that's not aid. not aid going to other countries. it does not include training. we are talking billions of dollars spent on this operation that we are seeing marginal improvements. >> $120 billion on combat alone per year. i'm sorry, i'm going to say it again, while our infrastructure is crumbling, while we fall behind k-12 in the schools and having to fire teachers, i'm sorry you can't explain this to americans in town hall meetings from california to maine down to south florida. they don't understand. >> it goes back to a great line i heart.
two are on the border of afghanistan and pakistan, which leads to a lot of uncertainty on the pakistan side of the border. >> how do we bring india in? how do we bring pakistan in? again, the united states and dr. brzezinski last week when he was here talked about all of our rivals, not enemies, but rivals are sitting there smiling, watching the united states power get drained in afghanistan. they are just standing by. >> it's absolutely right. when you think about the costs, you...
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now it looks like we have lost pakistan. have we lost pakistan? if so, why and was it inevitable. >> i think we are losing pakistan. i don't know if we have lost it yet. if we disengage intelligently and engage in the umbrella i have been talking about, her happens we will lose it all together. i think the fault is two way. first of all, we have never been really consistently and comprehensively sensitive to the political interests in having a secure backyard in afghanistan. we just haven't. resently, we played with indi s indians. we give a super nuclear deal to the indians. we did not give it to the pakistanis. there's resentment there. pakistan is coming undone on its own. it's not all our undoing. there's a conflict between the army and society at large. divisions between the army and the military and intelligence. ethnic differences. regional differences in pakistan. plus, this overwhelming obsession with india. so, pakistan is in trouble largely, not entirely, but largely because of its own position. >> dr. brzezinski, good morning, it's wil
now it looks like we have lost pakistan. have we lost pakistan? if so, why and was it inevitable. >> i think we are losing pakistan. i don't know if we have lost it yet. if we disengage intelligently and engage in the umbrella i have been talking about, her happens we will lose it all together. i think the fault is two way. first of all, we have never been really consistently and comprehensively sensitive to the political interests in having a secure backyard in afghanistan. we just...
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it's not so simple, especially with pakistan. this is different. bad bargains. we are in a min naj ga twa with the al sads and mohaves. they provide the al sauds with legitimacy and wahha big, s provided the al saud s with money. it works well for them but not us. we are surely safer with bin laden dead but no one will be safe without different ruling bargains in islamabad and riyadh. >> i was talking to people way smarter than i am, talking about the energy issue. there were revelations among this group and developments of hacking and fracking of natural gas that could be pretty radical in terms of our energy future. >> it would ultimately transform our foreign policy. >> transform our foreign policy because it will bring down the price of oil. there's apparently a lot more natural gas possibility than anybody ever thought. >> t. boone pickens. >> t. boone pickens plan, shall we promote it, out to it, shamelessly -- chris just said, shall we go to a break? >>> coming up, what else do we have? >> mark mckinnon will want to watch this closely. >> i'm not in there
it's not so simple, especially with pakistan. this is different. bad bargains. we are in a min naj ga twa with the al sads and mohaves. they provide the al sauds with legitimacy and wahha big, s provided the al saud s with money. it works well for them but not us. we are surely safer with bin laden dead but no one will be safe without different ruling bargains in islamabad and riyadh. >> i was talking to people way smarter than i am, talking about the energy issue. there were revelations...
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military aid to pakistan. meanwhile, as unauthorized details about the raid continue to leak, admiral mike mullen is concerned the information could affect future military operations. >> we are close to jeopardizing this precious capability that we have and we can't afford to do that. this fight isn't over, from myrm perspective, it is time to stop talking. we have talked far too much about this. >> secretary gates added leaks and gossip violate an agreement that was made in the white house situation room to keep details of the raid private. >> yet mike barnicle, conspiracy theorists out there suggesting perhaps osama bin laden's not dead. why won't the president reveal more? excuse me, i want to keep classified information classified. i'm good. he's dead. al qaeda says he's dead. let it go. >> no doubt about it, joe. yesterday, i think we were all sort of baffled when congressman ron wall alluded to -- -- ron paul alluded to -- had his own conspiracy theory. he's not alone. we need operational security and th
military aid to pakistan. meanwhile, as unauthorized details about the raid continue to leak, admiral mike mullen is concerned the information could affect future military operations. >> we are close to jeopardizing this precious capability that we have and we can't afford to do that. this fight isn't over, from myrm perspective, it is time to stop talking. we have talked far too much about this. >> secretary gates added leaks and gossip violate an agreement that was made in the...
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>> the kind of thing like in pakistan. go after people, use drones. you have to deal with the places we can't occupy. they might have be be september in to operate from time to time. >>> this mornings must read opinion pages and infrastruct e infrastructure. we'll be right back. ♪ i used to see the puddles, but now i see the splash. ♪ i wanted love, i needed love ♪ ♪ most of all, most of all... ♪ >>> welcome back to "morning joe." time for the must read opinion pages. we start with "the new york times" negotiating on a knife's edge. mr. obama, this is the paper's editorial and it says this. mr. obama might want to consider the advice of several constitutional scholars who say congress may not be able to put the govern in -- such a declaration would lead to litigation or attempts to impeachment. if republicans reach a deal or if democrats will not support it because it leans too heavily on the less fortunate, the constitutional option may look better than the recession option. people are worried about where the country is going. >> j-o-b-s. i
>> the kind of thing like in pakistan. go after people, use drones. you have to deal with the places we can't occupy. they might have be be september in to operate from time to time. >>> this mornings must read opinion pages and infrastruct e infrastructure. we'll be right back. ♪ i used to see the puddles, but now i see the splash. ♪ i wanted love, i needed love ♪ ♪ most of all, most of all... ♪ >>> welcome back to "morning joe." time for the must...
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what's interesting here is that it's not always clear that zardari is in charge in pakistan. it's sort of -- you talk to administration folks, and even on the record they sort of admit, look, it's a relationship in the hole, they'll describe it as. meaning you have to have general kahtani, head of the isi, head of the arm and with zardari, the civilian government. but there is a goal here in the united states to continue to sort of boost zardari, not let him get marginalized in his own country or the eyes of the world. >> the holbrooke memorial today will be another situation where the president can strike a tone as well. david gregory, looking ahead to next week and the republican agenda, as they try to weave that back into the conversation which appears could be changing. how do you think they'll balance what has happened and what they need to get done? >> i think they'll try to do it carefully. you heard from eric cantor's office, leader kantor's office that they want to approach this health care repeal debate thoughtfully. they'll still move forward. this will be a great
what's interesting here is that it's not always clear that zardari is in charge in pakistan. it's sort of -- you talk to administration folks, and even on the record they sort of admit, look, it's a relationship in the hole, they'll describe it as. meaning you have to have general kahtani, head of the isi, head of the arm and with zardari, the civilian government. but there is a goal here in the united states to continue to sort of boost zardari, not let him get marginalized in his own country...
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and we shouldn't let this pass without pointing out the close connection here with pakistan. that's one of the main reasons we're in afghanistan ultimately, not initially, but now. and now overnight we've had the terrible killing of a very prominent pakistani journalist. possibly we don't know, but possibly at the hands of pakistan's spy service for criticizing the government there. that is just profoundly disturbing. >> it's chilling. andrea, who do you have on your show today? >> well, we can talk about jane harman about all of this, the former congresswoman who is now the head of the wilson center and studies all this very deeply. and i think we've got congressman cantor on. we've got a couple of republicans coming on to talk about the debt ceiling, as well. >> you know, just like us, she plans her shows five days in advance. >> right. >> just like that. >> and we're going to have sarah palin and anthony weiner's coming on, jon stewart. great show. you should be there. palin and trump together. >> wow. >> what time is that show on in seattle? >> oh, stop. 10:00. >> 10:00.
and we shouldn't let this pass without pointing out the close connection here with pakistan. that's one of the main reasons we're in afghanistan ultimately, not initially, but now. and now overnight we've had the terrible killing of a very prominent pakistani journalist. possibly we don't know, but possibly at the hands of pakistan's spy service for criticizing the government there. that is just profoundly disturbing. >> it's chilling. andrea, who do you have on your show today? >>...